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Post by fight freak on Apr 16, 2012 8:37:30 GMT -5
He lost in the Upper midwest finals twice a few years ago and then moved to Colorado for a few years. Looks alot better as a right hander. Who is this guy that beat Caraway?
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Post by mnfightfan on Apr 16, 2012 8:40:20 GMT -5
He lost in the Upper midwest finals twice a few years ago and then moved to Colorado for a few years. Looks alot better as a right hander. Who is this guy that beat Caraway? I think Renam has had only 8 fights or something?? From Rochester I think. Looked really good though, but Delorien had him in trouble a couple times. Was a really close fight.
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Post by tbone on Apr 16, 2012 18:23:05 GMT -5
The Upper Midwest Was Inspirational......
What a tournament....Corey Thompson...you shined, you were the most dominant boxer of your weight class in the tournamant. Manny Contreras you showed up at heavyweight as a powerful force. I had picked you to win the tournament and as predicted your fight with Ryan Watson was awesome...a true classic. Ryan's day will come he is young, strong and a talented athlete but the thing I admire about him most is his class...he is a winner. Oscar was in shape...he would war with Corey Thompson in the gym and in shape he is tough to beat but as MN Fight Fan said the bout was a scrappy infight which you would have thought would be in Owens favor but Oscar beat him at his own game. - Garcia vs Caraway was a good fight and even though I did not score the bout it had to be very close. Garcia beat Maurice Fuller in the Region II tournament the same way with thunderous straight lefts. -Nate Rubin defended against a determined Mitch White who conitnues to get better. - Vang and Harper was competitive -Super Heavyweights are always entertaining and the weight clas was again..the Region III kid earned his belt in two tough bouts. -Dalton Outlaw really showed up...all weekend he had his game face on and his approach was serious and focused...he fought the same way, I really like Pol Botha and the way he boxes..very fast hands and he utilized his speed to go ahead early but Outlaws punching power later in the fight swung it his way as he laned a series of big shots -Heroff and Garcia was as mentioned by another poster an excellent bout with multiple exchanges and big punches landed by both. The eight count to Heroff and the combinations that proceeded it may have swung it Garcias way but even after that Heroff hurt Garcia it was another classic in a great tournament.
Someone mentioned a display of poor sportsmanship by a coach...this is a very emotional tournament for all of the marbles...it is the big dance...although on a national level the USA tourmament caries more weight we are a lot like New York, the Golden Gloves is the show in New York they have no idea who won the USA tournament or even when it was but everyone knows who won the Gloves...they are referred to as the Champ. It is the same here and with emotions running high we see great bouts and as well a lot of dissapointment when things go the other way...not that I am condoning certain behavior but everyone knew that the coach took the loss as hard as the kid and if I am a boxer I want a coach that is in it to win it who cares and is as emotionally involved as I am. - The thing that I find bothersome is not so much emotional outbursts due to intense competition but more of the underbelly. There are certain programs and coaches who must lack confidence in their ability to develop boxers because they consistantly try to steal boxers from everyone else's gyms. Back in the day this was never neccesary, nor were people doing it because it was considered dishonorable. Even at the big dance when everyone has done a great job to get there and the bond between coach & boxer is at it's highest people tarnish themselves and their programs by being dishonorable. It these folks think the boxer does not recognize this they are wrong...they see right through it, if you are a boxer do you want a coach who cares about you and invests in you over time or someone who lacks the character and integrity to earn their stripes?
I do not want negativity to be what this posting is about, I had a great time at the Upper Midwest. The officials, the Casino, the coaches and most of all the boxers did a great job. I was proud to be involved in Golden Gloves Boxing this weekend as Paulie said in Rocky "Hey Rocko you done good tonight, tonight I feel like a winner" Amen...
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 16, 2012 19:00:57 GMT -5
Wow you really just compared the Upper Midwest to the NY golden gloves? You can't be serious. Every Minnesota fighter who fought at won the state USA tournament did well at national USA tournament and I guarantee the only boxer who won the Upper Midwest who has a chance to win any fights at the national golden gloves is Manny, the Upper Midwest was an absolute joke this year as well as most others years, nobody takes Minnesota fighters seriously because of the poor quality of fighters we generally send to the Gloves
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Post by Corey Thompson on Apr 16, 2012 21:06:13 GMT -5
I'm looking for video of my finals match and usually don't post on here to avoid silly internet arguments, but after reading "Guest90"s comment about the UpperMidwest being a joke this year I feel very offended. I feel like I can comment on this because I have boxed in Colorado, North Carolina, in a small town in MN and now in the cities in MN. I won the golden glove state in 2009, a year when Colorado boxers placed better at the nationals than any other state in the US. I just want to say that after spending time with boxers in the twin cities there is a different vibe than from boxers in small towns. A lot of the times, boxers here are worried about who is the biggest and badest. There is a thingyy tone, yet boxers from places like Wadena, DL, Fergus Falls it's all about hard work and finding a positive sport that keeps troubled kids out of trouble. Now I need to remind you that this year not one Region 1 fighter won the UpperMidwest. Region one has suburbs with 10 times more kids than Wadena has, yet Wadena had 4 fighters fighting in the Uppermidwest this year. Instead of complaining about the "poor quality of fighters" how about you do something about it. The talent is out there! You can find it. It's all about representing boxing in a positive light with sportsmanship and hard work and not acting thingyy and arrogant. I heard a lot of fighters from the cities this weekend refering to Region 4 fighters as "their pregnant dogEs" and this is all wrong. Minnesota boxing officials, referees, volunteers, ect. do more to promote the fights and put on a quality shows than any other state I've ever boxed in. Now imagine if we could tap into that talent there is here in the cites. We could erase the negative views other states have on Mn boxing. I worked very hard to win the tournament and had a tough fight in the finals so Guest90, please don't disrespect me and every other fighter who worked their tail off to win this. The show was very professionally done and I couldn't thank the people who made this tournament possible enough. So again Guest90, what are you doing to get young people involved in boxing here in Mn? I also want you to know that one day I'm going to open up a gym in a small town in Mn. I'm going to do my best to get young people involved and provide them with something positive in their life. I applaud people like Cerresso Fort and others here in the cities for getting young kids involved. And one day I hope to get supporters here in Mn to help me open up my gym and get more talented young kids involved in the sport I love.
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Post by mnfightfan on Apr 16, 2012 22:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by Guest91 on Apr 16, 2012 22:48:01 GMT -5
you dont have to like what guest 90 said but he or she is not wrong the upper midwest is a joke at the national level Manny will be the only one to win a fight
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 17, 2012 0:07:04 GMT -5
No disrespect to you Corey you were the best in your weight class and deserved to win, but in some other weight classes the best fighters got horrible decisions and don't get a chance to rightfully represent the Upper Midwest at nationals. For Example Delorien Caraway clearly won his fight and is the best fighter in his weight class but he's not getting a chance to represent the state at nationals because of horrible judging. I'm not saying we don't have good fighters I'm saying that everyone at nationals thinks Minnesota doesn't. And another thing I find sad is that a large amount of Minnesota are satisfied with just winning the umgg and losing the first day at nationals. Shouldn't it be people's goals to win the entire national golden gloves? I wasn't trying to diminish your accomplishments this weekend Corey I wish the best of luck to you in Nevada and I hope you're trying to win the whole thing and not just content with winning a state tournament. I said I believe Manny is the best bet in Nevada because he has by far the most national experience of anyone going on top of some skill. You're right Cereseo is doing good things and I hope Dalton does well out there as well. Circle of Discipline is also doing great things for the community in south Minneapolis as well as training many of the top fighters in the Nation but somehow none of their fighters made it when I think each one of them won all there fights except maybe Puol Both against Dalton Outlaw which was still a very competitive fight. I think the only weight classes with their best fighters going to Nevada are 165,178, and 201. Every other weight class will be like sacrificial lambs
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Post by tbone on Apr 17, 2012 11:59:33 GMT -5
Corey Thompson,
Well stated. By the way you are a consumate professional at what you do and a pleasure to be involved with. You work hard. Your spirit is special and is something we saw from multiple boxers over the course of the tournament. It is like an excellent college bowl game where they play it for the love of the game. There are bundles of kids in the Cities who have talent but we have a lot of competition from other sports, entertainment and even educational and vocational opportunities that some of the smaller towns don't have which I think combined with the lack of Olympic Boxing Television coverage combined with international boxing sterility has diluted interst in the sport somewhat. And even some of our potential boxers are now doing MMA.
As far as Guest 90 is concerned obviously you need to spend a little time studying the facts. I have been to several National Tournaments and you could not be further from the truth, not only is our Region very well respected as competitors but our officials and administration are utilized at a very high level. My family is from New York...is yours ? Have you ever been to the New York Golden Gloves Tournament...don't think so...I have. Why don't you tell guys like Sherman Griffin, Stevie Adams, Brad Croaker, Dave Sherbrooke, Jonothan Hamm, Arthur Johnson, Will Grigsby that their region is a joke because they were all national finalists or national champions and I am confident all of them will tell you like Corey Thompson did that your comments are disrespectful to all the athletes who climb the three steps. If you did not think this was an excellent tournament you need to buy some glasses and start paying attention. The facts are teams and individuals will advance in any national tournament due in large to the draw and the proximity of Olympic competition. This year our boxers did well at the National USA tourmant most of the seats in the trials were already determined so several of the top rated amatuers were not even in the tournament and my guess is we had a good draw. On top of that we sent a good team...Robert Brant...the Heavy-Weight from Iowa both were former National Champions. Brant was not in the Upper-Midwest and the Heavy-Weight is in a different region in the Gloves. So depending on the draw and who comes in and how are kids perform on a fight by fight basis will determine our team success at Nationals...
I like this team...Thompson can definitely do something at a national level, as can Manny, Oscar has a pro style but he has a wicked right hand...one shot could change everything....Zoo is a tough little guy.......I don't care if you meet Dalton Outlaw in the Gym, in a fight or in the alley as Johhny Johnson would say you better bring your "A" game because who ever fights him is going to remember where St. Paul Minnesota is. Garcia @ 123lbs. very good puncher. Regarding the Caraway - Garcia fight I was not judging but I was @ ringside and early on I thought Caraway was doing well and seemed comfortably ahead but at the end of rd 2 and throughout rd 3 Garcia was landing straight left after straight left and the crowd was on it's feet and the place was bedlamb and I was not counting each scoring blow but I would not have complained if it went the other way and I am not complaining now that is how it was scored. But I can tell you this to say that this tournament was a joke is to tell those youg men that laying their heart on the line, giving their all, and being willing to go out on their shield is a joke is so far from the truth that anything you say on this site has to be questioned because it is obvious you are either so bitter that you are blind or you are just very uninformed.
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Post by guest123 on Apr 17, 2012 15:17:18 GMT -5
wat about the saturday night fights??
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Post by guest 999 on Apr 17, 2012 15:50:12 GMT -5
T-bone if you have been to a national GG tourney lately you would know that every region in the country hopes they draw the upper midwest so they can get an easy win and advance to the next round ask anyone from any region if you go to the nationals this year. The kids from minnesota need to enter as many tournaments as they can not just the upper midwest to get better and get ranked in the U.S 99% of the boxers would rather say i am ranked # whatever then to say i won the upper midwest and lost first fight at GG nationals
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Post by shaun oconnor on Apr 17, 2012 17:00:24 GMT -5
well said todd!! congrats to all the participants in this years tournament. The fights were very competitive,and every athlete showed tons of heart.. To suggest any of our champions don't deserve to represent the upper midwest is ludacris. I have had the pleasure of coaching at dozens of national tournaments, I've had national champions 10+ athletes ranked top 5,and many tough,tough fighters..Most of my athletes enter these tournaments with a lot less fights than their natiotional counterparts. They win their fights typically with heart and superior conditioning as the skill level typically advances with the # of fights..to exemplify this,may I refer to the Renam/Delorian fight..I have the pleasure of being Reman Garcia's coach. Weather you believe he one or lost that fight,it really doesn't matter....Renam has been in the gym for less than 13 months,he had 5 fights going into this tournament, and even in our minds a definate underdog..That being said he showed Quite well against a top seeded fighter like caraway..Maybe this should act as an inspiration for guest 99..It's not the size of the dog in the fight,it's the size of fight in the dog! Viva las vegas!!
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 17, 2012 17:08:16 GMT -5
At national gloves they think of the Upper Midwest as a walkover region. And I would love for someone to explain to me how Region 1(specifically Circle of Discipline) had 3 of the best fighters in the tournament but couldn't get a single decision? Xavier Griffin absolutely outpointed Brad Heroff on Saturday, I already said my thoughts on Delorien and I believe Ve Shawn completely controlled his fight with Oscar as well as landed the power shots. All 3 of them had legitimate chances of winning the entire national golden gloves. Delorien and Xavier Griffin are by far the sharpest and slickest amateurs in the state. Those 3 fight all over the nation and it shows and they should be representing minnesota at the gloves. I don't understand why you bring up Jonathan Hamm, he is not a Minnesota fighter, he only came through the state last year so he could get an easy chance to make to nationals not because its a good region. You are very misinformed if you think UMGG is still a respected region, I've been to many national tournaments and know what they think of us. The UMGG is nothing like the NY golden gloves and please don't try to argue that
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Post by tbone on Apr 17, 2012 17:32:35 GMT -5
Guest 999,
It has been a while since I have been to the National GG but even then we preferred to draw DesMoines or Kansas City to Philidelphia or New Jersey so it would only make sense that people would prefer to draw the Upper Midwest than to draw LA. And I agree that our boxers will improve if they enter as many tournaments as possible and I do not disagree that the USA tournaments from a ranking and international competition perspective carry more weight than the National Golden Gloves but that is not the case at a local level and for how many kids enter the Golden Gloves each year....1000's only 10 are national champs. So realistically if your goal is only to win a national title you might want to keep yopur eye on the prize which is first to get there first. If the draw, the decisions your weight and your performances come together you might win a national title but you will win nothing unless you get there.
The USA boxing orginizations at both a national and local level have a lot of work to do and as a participant they need to both improve. Our USA national tournamant is very poorly promoted, always in the same place limiting revenue and excitiment and fans. No one goes to it and no one watches it other than the amatuer boxing poeople. The adoption of international systems and the conformaty to an international system have made some of the boxing very sterile, the public is no longer interestd in the Olympic sport, NBC and TNT would not televize Olympic boxing becasue they cannot sell ads. Locally we have some good people involved but it is all they can do to get a tournament put together and field a team without much support financially. Their funding comes from registrations, they do not pay to send the kids, no belts, no jackets, no magazine, no press. I used to be on the Golden Gloves board...they attracted major sponsors, had local business leaders supporting them, branded the name, put on a first class well promoted tournament they have had Target Center, TCF and Budweiser as well as now the Casinos supporting them.
This is common sense stuff....if you are even remotely invloved you already know all of this. Instead of cutting the Gloves down which is doing a great job at what they do, acknowledge the good things they are doing and do something about the USA Tournament to make it better. My first move if I was the local USA board would be to bring the organizational, promotional and financial talent onboard necessary to win. There are good local boxing people on the board but it takes more than that. The second thing is start branding and awareness, almost like a marketing campaign, land a sponsor, get some $$ make it as prestigous to win this tournamrent as it is to win the Upper Midwest because right now they are 100 miles apart.
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 17, 2012 17:52:07 GMT -5
Oh yeah and I forgot to add you are completely wrong about there not being top amateurs because most of the Olympic spots were taken. Almost all the Olympic spots were open except 3/10. I was at the tournament all the top fighters were there. You clearly know nothing about the national level. You're local.
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