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Post by tbone on Apr 17, 2012 18:04:18 GMT -5
Guest 90,
Take a clinic, go to school or buy some new eye wear...Xavier is a great kid as are most of the guys from COD they are a good gym...he did not beat Brad Heroff. He fought him close but he backed up to much and let Heroff take control which allowed him to score...still a good bout. Owens and Soto - I would have not fought Owens on the inside he did and again I was not judging the bout but did watch it, it was close but I agree with the decision. Outlaw beat Botha but I really like Pol he comes to fight ..he is really a 165 LBS.....Caraway and Garcia must have been very close if they said Caraway won I would have had no problem with that he piled up a lot of points early and I thought was on his way to a win but the kid came back it was a great fight my hats off to them. The beauty of Amateur boxing is that it is tournament driven..which means you could win a national title one year and have to win the local tournament the next and if you don't your out. If Xavier and Delorian were the best than they would be there, they are great kids but on Saturday Xavier got beat by the defending champion and on Sunday I think Delorian got upset by a southpaw who wouldn't go away. The Vikings were better than the Saints in 2010 they marched up and down the field but they lost the game and New Orleans became the champ. I did not compare the boxers in New York to the Boxers from the Upper-Midwest, I compared the Golden Gloves tournaments in both cities to the USA tournaments. No one in New York cant even tell you who won the USA tournament they don't care, but they will tell you everyone who won the Gloves. After talking to the organizations in LA and Atlanta that represented Jonothan Hamm they are developing a heavy-weight factory for the pros and they send their boxers all over the country not just here so they can get national tournament exposure, if they all go through just one or two regions only one or two guys ill get exposure. So instead of saying what people are saying about the UMGG why don't you just keep it to what they think of you since you are not in a position to speak for anyone else. Johnny Johnson had three guys in and three guys won....good for them...you think Veshawn Owens has a better chance at Nationals than Oscar Soto...Oscar has been a nationally ranked fighter, VeShawn is great but Oscar won, who at 165 was better than Corey Thompson...no one...Manny ranked nationally...Al Brunette is the team coach and The Brunette Boxing Gym are the Team Champions for the Golden Gloves and what a great job they did all year, great kids, promoted alot of shows...nice work.
I don't get it you seem so bitter about the success of others...why don't you celebrate the success of others, jump on board and stop being a critic...have you not hear the opinion of the critic does not count.
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Post by tbone on Apr 17, 2012 18:14:43 GMT -5
By the Way,
congrats to Al Brunette and Brunette Boxing Gym ...Team Champions of the Upper Midwest...they run a first class program, have great boxers, promote shows all the time, have a great facility...they are doing it right ...I hear from a very good source that the gym is getting back into Professional Boxing Promoting soon with a group of investors looking to build an organization...really sounds exciting and like a great opportunity to get some fights and make some money for any local kids looking to box professionally in the future.
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 17, 2012 18:19:35 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I already said this but you're right Corey Thompson was absolutely the best at 165 and I'm not arguing against that he deserves to go to nationals. And you're right about Puol he is far better fit for 165 and lost a close fight. But Xavier outboxed Brad he turned him anyway he wanted him as well as countered him with precision, Brad landed some good shots but he was beat to the punch for the fight and Xavier threw and landed a lot more punches and go look at the third round he stood right in front of brad and beat him on the inside. Just because someone is backing up doesn't mean they're losing the fight, look at Floyd Mayweather he is always backing up but rarely loses a round.
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Post by tbone on Apr 17, 2012 19:00:36 GMT -5
Guest 90,
As you said earlier...Jonothan Hamm (a fighter you called not our fighter) is our only current National Champion and the only reason they had a boxoff...to correct you and not another complete trials is because the positions were already filled and their were very few Americans on the team. What a poor job, a failure at the National USA Boxing at an International level to not have the United States send a team on it's own to the Olympics. Maybe they should have the National Golden Gloves Board take over the USA Boxing so we can get some of these things done. I had a good seat for the Griffin - Heroff bout ....Heroff won, the judges said it, I say it, the crowd said it...your opinion although noted is mistaken. And your right you can win backing up if you are landing punches while doing it he was getting chased and hit. He and his coach had a strategy and it did not work out, it was close ...oh well. Browse the rule book section on scoring. By the way I just watched Floyd knockout Ortiz on tape...he was coming forward.
Anyway enough nonsense about meaningless yesterdays. Here are the facts: 1. The Golden Gloves in this area is more prestigious, more recognized, larger and a better run tournamant than the USA at every level...the Truth. 2. It was a great UMGG tournamant with great crowds, great bouts in a great arena, 2 days...I was at the USA Tournament ..nice show but not anything like this....the truth 3. We have some great kids representing us, they wear the title belts and are the champions of Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota...the truth 4. Brunettes did a great job as all of the clubs do but this was their year and they earned it, team champions...the truth 5. And if we could have two tournaments a year as good as the Upper Midwest Golden Gloves is we would all be better for it...the truth.
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Post by Aaron Resberg on Apr 17, 2012 21:57:02 GMT -5
Todd i disagree with you on the tournament is run better than any usa tournament i have been to both tournaments the last 3 years the difference is the upper midwest is basically a state tournament and the usa has a state and a region with 4 different states and this makes your chances hardder to make nationals and i think that is why alot more gyms in this state do not enter the usa tournament do not want to argue with you todd just put my 2 cents in both tournaments are good for the boxers i think more people should go to ringside tournament to get more experince also
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Post by tbone on Apr 18, 2012 10:36:09 GMT -5
Hey Aaron,
I understand your point. And your presence on the LBC#30 USA Board is a move in the right direction. At a National Level and with selection committees and etc the USA Tournamant is a bigger deal. But at the local and regional levels in many cities the Golden Gloves is the branded name of amatuer boxing. USA Boxing Tournaments are the old AAU tournaments of which even when I started boxing they were smaller in both participation and crowd attendance, not covered by the press and were generally considered to be a second tier tournamant even though their National Tournament winner and runner up were seated in the trials vs just the winner in the GG.
Even today in many areas this rings true, as in the Upper Midwest. Just look at the difference in the tournamants. You attended the Region II St. Paul Golden Gloves a 2 day city tournament which had a larger attendance and was in a bigger venue than the 4 state USA tournament in Wisconsin. Were there quality boxer there, of course did that team compete well in nationals yes. Did it have the same energy and competitive nature of the Golden Gloves...not even close. Look at this site there has been multiple pages written about the GG and a few paragraphs on the USA Tournamant. Look at Minnesota Boxing.com...look at the coverage of the City Golden Gloves.
There is a local history attached to this that you may or may not be aware of. In the 80's the Upper Midwest Golden Gloves Board for whatever reason had a group of people break off due to their own personal wants and facilitate a relationship with USA Boxing which at the time was just comming out from under the AAU leadership and becomming the governing body of Amatuer Boxing, one of those people without mentioning names was an Attorney who was able to utilize legal procedure to gain a relationship with USA boxing outside of the Upper Midwest GG and wrestle some from of control over the LBC. This group did not coach boxers, have gyms, and a lot of them never laced up a pair of gloves which can be ok if the folks that did are with you. There was a huge political struggle, grievances filed and etc not for the betterment of the kids but to spite the other party, and the roots of this conflict are still present today and even earlier in this post where they displayed their peronal jealousy by insulting the boxers in the GG tournament. Who does That? Someone interested in the Kids? No... This put it a bitter taste in the mouth of local business leaders, board members, sponsors, coaches and boxers. What we ended up with were divided camps, organizations, and tournaments instead of working together as most regions do. The money, the leadership, the sponsors, the community and most of the gyms were Golden Gloves aligned. Hence USA boxing lost their leadership and their support in the 30 years since it still remains the truth.
Just look at it Aaron, in the Golden Gloves we had a 2 day St. Paul Tournment in a packed arena which sold t-shirts, concessions, had tables for sale...sold them out....and a great gate at the door. The kids got jackets, trophies, medals......and standing room only ovations. Then they go to the Upper Midwest, hotel rooms paid for, meals paid for, title belts, trophies, plaques, in a beautiful venue, press coverage, jackets,,,under the spotlight and being able to tell the crowd who they are as people. There is no comparison between the two tournamants .......
Things can change......I have been a personal witness to miracles in peoples lives, been a participant on many teams in multiple sports who climbed to the top, turned around business and built businesses and been a part of taking a company public....the boxing landscape can be improved and possibly you are the one to kick it off...you know the game, you are articulate and you communicate very well, but your greatist quality for this is that in your heart you love the game and the kids who box. I can see the "special" thing between you and Ryan...it is rare that you have those types of relationships in life and you guys got it.
Make change, mend fences, help to bury the hatchet, let bygones be bygones...unite with GG, reachout and ask for help...these are not easy things, you will be met with opposition from peole who thrive on this divsion and conflict. What it really is is that they are afraid of losing something they have or not getting something they want..their motivation is self. I have known the people involved with Golden Gloves for 35 years, they selflessly give of their time, money and network to make the program special and their tournamant great...why oppose something like that...embrace it.
Good luck, you are a good guy and I am available to help you.
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Post by Circle of Trust on Apr 18, 2012 16:11:49 GMT -5
Brad Heroff beat Xavier Griffin. There should not even be a debate. Guest 90, please just come out and admit that you are a relative of Xavier. Or a coach for that matter. Then it would make sense why you saw it the way you did. NOBODY left day 1 of the competition saying Griffin won that bout. Round 1, Griffin had a nice little start. Speedy, elusive, but that all went away after 20 seconds when Heroff began to find a home for that right. Griffin did not have any answer. He was NOT backing up like Mayweather. He was being sent backwards by the jab-straight right. Round 2, You talk about Mayweather defence? Griffin through a ton of punches to begin round 2. Yet they hit nothing but gloves and arms. By a minute into the round, anybody that says Griffin won this bout just had themselves looking a little silly. Brad stalked, countered and landed the right over and over. I don't even want to go on anymore but I will for the sake of driving a nail into the coffin of your argument. Griffin showing good movement around the ring in spots but heroff simply turned left or right, cut off the ring and through the effective punches. Griffin really looking confussed nearing the end of the round as to how to get inside the longer reach and jab of Heroff. Round 3, Like the prior rounds, Griffin comes out fast and does land a solid uppercut moments in. But its the same story. Brad heroff taking the lead coming forward, jab, right hand, left hook. Just simply boxing. Griffin did not land nearly enough to even make this a debate. There were a lot of close fights in the tournament so why pick this one to complain about? On second thought it makes sense. Guest 90 is clearly from Circle of Discipline. No other reason why you would be pouting and saying everybody is against you. It makes perfect sense now. Have a good day. Oh, and don't believe me? Watch the video for yourselves! www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hjKT9ClCo
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 18, 2012 16:13:26 GMT -5
You sir are grossly misinformed about your facts I wish I could explain it all to you. Please open your eyes
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Post by Circle of Trust on Apr 18, 2012 16:30:24 GMT -5
First off, I am a woman, not a man. Second, you don't even need to open your eyes. Just hit the play button on the link I provided and show it to any unbiased person. Xavier is a fun fighter to watch. It's just too bad he is being brought into a discussion like this by you. He put up a good fight and has many years ahead of him to grow in the ring. But Brad heroff won that fight and it is not fair for somebody to take that away because of whatever reason you have for doing this.
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Post by Guest 90 on Apr 18, 2012 16:53:14 GMT -5
Sorry Circle of Trust, I wasn't talking about the fight in my prior post. I was referring to other things that he had just said to Aaron. I put my post on there simultaneously with yours
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Post by shaun oconnor on Apr 18, 2012 21:24:14 GMT -5
guest 90, the golden glove tournament has been a staple of minnesota boxing for more than five generations..Originating from the mid 1920's this tournament represents the beginning of amateur boxing.I personally have great admiration for this tournament and for the parties that have maintained its existence for the last 90 years.USA boxing is a fairly new organization with lots of good things happening..I credit usa boxing for creating a national point ranking system, but with careful analysis this system is very biased and subjective.I believe they have even eliminated ranking points from the golden glove tournament simply based on a large scale pissing match,which is very disheartening to the old school boxing fan...Both tournaments attract the elite fighters from across the nation,with the gloves allowing non- citizens to compete for much of it's existense, I felt if gave a better representation of the nations elite..maybe I'm wrong ?but thats my opinion..........Todd,I see you willing to give Aaron any help he needs! He still owes me per deim from months ago.. so any monetary gifts would be most appreciated:)
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Post by guest ILL on Apr 18, 2012 22:40:11 GMT -5
it's a shame what umgg has reduced its self to over the years. with there bias decision's terrible ref's and clearly blinded fightfans. this year golden gloves team is going to go straight no where with the lack of talent and weak experience. ive been watching you guys argue for a while now about the decisions and sucky fighters. Im a fight fan my self and ive seen alot of horrible decisions in my day ( nationals is the worst calls ) but this is redicules. 141 and 152 was the most corupted judging ever, how much money is these coaches and comissioners paying these afficials. these fighters like caraway and owens deserve much better respect from MN then this. when i see a fighter in the fetal position against the ropes multiple times that should be a standing 8 or the fight should be called. you MN fans are blinded or retarded to really think them to guys lost those fights. when these fight post on youtube you gona here how real fight fan feel about them fights... heck even ppl who dont know nothing about boxing would think diff about those two dec. i bet all you ne sayers that only 1 fighter is gona make it past the first round of the G.G.N. bet you my new car. I should make a come back... LOL
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Post by Xavier Griffin on Apr 18, 2012 23:38:49 GMT -5
Hey everyone Xavier Griffin here. Let me start off by saying I do believe I won my fight with Brad but I knew it was going to be tough to get a decision after just walking to the ring and hearing nearly the entire crowd pulling for Brad. I believe I moved very effectively in and out WITHOUT Brad cutting off the ring he was just chasing me. U he caught me with a few right hands because I was pulling my head straight back, but not "right after right" like was stated earlier. I believe that's pretty much how the first two rounds went I would catch him with 2 or 3 and then he would land one right hand or hit my shoulder and the crowd would go crazy. Circle of Trust, Brad dis not have me confused once is this fight on how to get in, I fought the EXACT fight I wanted and believe I frustrated him far more than he did I. the third I corrected my problem of pulling straight back and began to completely beat him on the inside with very sharp combinations on the inside while he would just throw over my head and miss. I did that for most of the round then went back to dancing after I felt I had secured enough points. So to sum it up I absolutely believe I won by about 5-8 points. I think it was a good fight but I don't think he was busy enough to win. I will say it wasn't my best fight because of some things I'm not willing to discuss on here. But for you to say NOBODY left that day thinking I won is a slap in my face mam, I had more people than I can count come up to me and say "I believe that you pulled that fight out." I had a few judges and officials tell me the same And I also had a lot of people come up to me and say they are fans of mine which I greatly appreciate. I'm happy I had a chance to fight in this tournament and help build my fan base and will love for more support from fans through my young career. This tournament is just experience and a small bump in the road for me before I start to win the national tournaments, and eventually down the road world titles. Hope to see all my new fans the next time I fight or even while I'm just watching come and say hello. God bless!
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Post by Circle of Trust on Apr 19, 2012 6:39:41 GMT -5
You are a classy fighter and person Xavier. I think I let my emotions get the better of me because of what sounded like accusations of corruption. But still I think the video speaks for itself. www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hjKT9ClCo
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Post by shaun oconnor on Apr 19, 2012 8:14:43 GMT -5
Guest ill, I'll take that bet. I only have one concern though.By reviewing your grammar skills and your biased opinions, I wonder If this person has the ability to succeed in life to get to the point of actually purchasing a new car..Yes ,I'm asking the question, Is the car stolen?
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